KATORIESLAND

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someone else jumping on the wagon , that hasn,t a clue

Oh dear what a mixture of dogs all under the banner of 'wolf a likes' no wonder some people treat us like a big joke with this sort of cross breeding going on for no purpose!

razcox wrote:Oh dear what a mixture of dogs all under the banner of 'wolf a likes' no wonder some people treat us like a big joke with this sort of cross breeding going on for no purpose!

well said,totally agree with you.

sally wrote:

razcox wrote:Oh dear what a mixture of dogs all under the banner of 'wolf a likes' no wonder some people treat us like a big joke with this sort of cross breeding going on for no purpose!

well said,totally agree with you.

I don't know this breeder, but looking at the website, the dogs are hip scored and eye tested and the breeder is with the British Woldog club, who outcross to other breeds and don't breed NI.

I really can't understand the need for such negative posts about the dogs on that website, this forum is for all the wolfy breeds and cross breeds

Nothing against the breeder Arctic but I think the point is 3 of the dogs are full Utonagan and one is a Czech wolf dog, some litters are Ute and some UtexCzech....

From behaviour etc they are NOT the same but now there doesnt seem to be any form of differentiating between the 2 different breeds....

a bit like a German Shepherd and a Beardie Collie...both herders, both pastoral but in no way any similarities other than that...!

this is a problem when folks start thinkng that Utes and nIs are the same as Czechs and Wolfdog crosses.... especially when it affects our dogs for insurance, we do not want to be in the same catagory as wolf dogs as they are not the same type of owners etc and also not the same ...So for us this kind o thing is a big problem!!

It does confuse the public it confuses insurance companies, its a pain in our side..

No offense intended.

arctic wrote:

I don't know this breeder, but looking at the website, the dogs are hip scored and eye tested and the breeder is with the British Woldog club, who outcross to other breeds and don't breed NI.

I really can't understand the need for such negative posts about the dogs on that website, this forum is for all the wolfy breeds and cross breeds

excuse me arctic,but yes i do have the right to such negative posts, ive owned both types of dogs, have you?????

Lanie wrote:Nothing against the breeder Arctic but I think the point is 3 of the dogs are full Utonagan and one is a Czech wolf dog, some litters are Ute and some UtexCzech....

From behaviour etc they are NOT the same but now there doesnt seem to be any form of differentiating between the 2 different breeds....

a bit like a German Shepherd and a Beardie Collie...both herders, both pastoral but in no way any similarities other than that...!

this is a problem when folks start thinkng that Utes and nIs are the same as Czechs and Wolfdog crosses.... especially when it affects our dogs for insurance, we do not want to be in the same catagory as wolf dogs as they are not the same type of owners etc and also not the same ...So for us this kind o thing is a big problem!!

It does confuse the public it confuses insurance companies, its a pain in our side..

No offense intended.

Pretty much sums up my feelings too. Out crossing for a purpose is one thing but these breeders just seem to be selling all the offspring and jumping on the bandwagon to make money . . .

Lanie wrote:Nothing against the breeder Arctic but I think the point is 3 of the dogs are full Utonagan and one is a Czech wolf dog, some litters are Ute and some UtexCzech....

From behaviour etc they are NOT the same but now there doesnt seem to be any form of differentiating between the 2 different breeds....

a bit like a German Shepherd and a Beardie Collie...both herders, both pastoral but in no way any similarities other than that...!

this is a problem when folks start thinkng that Utes and nIs are the same as Czechs and Wolfdog crosses.... especially when it affects our dogs for insurance, we do not want to be in the same catagory as wolf dogs as they are not the same type of owners etc and also not the same ...So for us this kind o thing is a big problem!!

It does confuse the public it confuses insurance companies, its a pain in our side..

No offense intended.

thanks Lanie, perhaps they should have a bit more information on each dog breed on the website, though it is clear on the website that the breeder is with the British wolfdog club and not Ute or NI. I had another look on that website and the only breed name mentioned is the 'Czech Wolfdog' can't find any mention of Utonagon or Northern Inuit anywhere on that website

Can't really think of a term that could be used to describe the wolfy breed dogs as an overall type though, like Spitz for example covers everything from a Pomeranian to an Akita

See very confusing isnt it? Storm, Ile and Iyuske are full Utes and so was the last litter supposedly. So really confusing I think, there should be a differentiation between the breeds IMO.

And the breed thing, well you wouldnt go and want a pomeranian and end up with an Akita You wouldnt want a border collie and get a Beardie, Belgian Shepherd, German Shepherd, see where I am coming from, our dogs have been bred to look like wolves, Czech and Saarloos bred for the same and also for a job to do, Utes and Inuits to be a lookalike with no content, they are all completely different breeds. Different nature, different needs, different purpose, personally I hate the fact that they are being crossed it is a waste of the new breeds (ie new over here) who are different and should be revelled in their own right for what they are, whereas our dogs should be allowed to be recognised for what they are also, and they are both different, 1 wolfdogs, us wolf lookalike mix of domestic dogs, bred to be a family pet that is versatile and confident with no gaurding tendencies, happy to be worked, happy to be a member of the family. These folks that are mixing the two as far as I can see have no real reason to do so except to make the wolfdog more acceptable to a wider market, they are riding on the back of the wolf look a likes with regards nature, needs what type of homes etc, when in truth they havent a clue what nature is going to come out as they havent studied the breeds ie Czech and Saarloos long enough, they do not have the best and the worse case scenarios under their own belts yet... I want to know what the oldest Wolfdog x wolfalike is and then how on earth can they know what temperament they are selling??

If they wanted the easier dogs that suit a wider market they should have stuck with the no wolfdog and if they wanted a bit more of a challenge and a smaller market then concentrated on showing off the wolfdogs...they havent even popularised them here campaigned at shows, worked them, seen what they could do to promote them in their own right ...they have been bought in, and crossed???? it isnt right no matter how well they paint it...they have also ruined the chances of genuine wolfdog enthusiasts at gaining credability and being able to import and properly establish the breeds over here as the breeders abroad feel the exact same as we do about all this nonsense..

AND instead of dealing with the difficulties ie insurance, public opinion etc etc they have just gaily mixed them in with our lot and called them all the same, its lazy and shows to me absolute lack of concern for the other breeds and breeders...I would never advertise my pups as wolfdogs, as I wouldnt ever think they where they are not so why do they try and make out they are the same....

Sorry rant over but this really pees me off....

I can't help but agree with the above post. All this random cross breeding just devalues the original breeds and the work of those that have worked hard to breed 'true to type'.

What is most concerning is the, now almost daily, number of returns of these cross breeds back to their breeders.

When rare breeds have been imported before I have never seen such a scramble to cross breed and mass market. I cannot over emphasise that the these two breeds do not great pets for novice owners.

I know this breeder very well and have spoke to them in great detail about their vision - unless you have spoken to them in person I would politely ask you not to pre judge and act like the wolf dog police - thank you

maloots wrote:I know this breeder very well and have spoke to them in great detail about their vision - unless you have spoken to them in person I would politely ask you not to pre judge and act like the wolf dog police - thank you

And may I politely ask you who you are you havent even introduced yourself or spoken to any of us, for your info I have spoken to Jan and I dont disagree with whatever she decides to do within her kennels my concern is that she should differentiate between the breeds and crosses, not a lot to ask if you ask me

And by the way "wolf dog police" Unless you have spoken to me in person I would appreciate you not to pre-judge me!!

"wolf dog police" love it

Absolutely agree with you Lanie good post

I think you could look pretty good in the uniform and have the flashing lights too

razcox wrote:I think you could look pretty good in the uniform and have the flashing lights too

Can we have a siren that goes WOOOOOOOOOO Wooooooooooo wooooooooo like a wolf howl too and I want a badge

Well of course the badge is the best bit. You will need a theme song too and a handle. Umm the sunglasses being taken off is taken and dont really need sunglasses in scotland do you!!

razcox wrote:Well of course the badge is the best bit. You will need a theme song too and a handle. Umm the sunglasses being taken off is taken and dont really need sunglasses in scotland do you!!

No not often, but I will wear them anyway just so I look the part

Here's another forum spoilt with Lanie being on it.... Before you go slagging me off Laine make sure you know what your talking about!!! As it clearly shows with your comments on my breeding you haven't a clue...Your breeding ISN'T PURE UTE EITHER!!!!!! As we all know Raven is part wolfdog!!!!

Can't wait to meet you once again face to face!!!!!!!!

So explain what a British Utonagan is??? As far as I can see it's a cross breed! Utexgsd... Hmmmmmmmm that sell for what £750 a PURE UTe doesn't cost that... Now how's in it for money or is it just to rip people off with your MRD dogs... Now that sounds more like it...

Chilli wrote:Here's another forum spoilt with Lanie being on it.... Before you go slagging me off Laine make sure you know what your talking about!!! As it clearly shows with your comments on my breeding you haven't a clue...Your breeding ISN'T PURE UTE EITHER!!!!!! As we all know Raven is part wolfdog!!!!

Can't wait to meet you once again face to face!!!!!!!!

So explain what a British Utonagan is??? As far as I can see it's a cross breed! Utexgsd... Hmmmmmmmm that sell for what £750 a PURE UTe doesn't cost that... Now how's in it for money or is it just to rip people off with your MRD dogs... Now that sounds more like it...

HI Janine

I fail to see why it is spoiled because I am on it, Im sure my points of view are shared by many others...and I am perfectly entitled to air my opinions, if you read the posts properly you would see that my only problem is that people are mixed up with what is and what isnt wolfdog...Insurance companies aswell this affects us all and it needs rectified.

Your comments as usual are spiteful and defensive this just makes you look as if you have something to hide not me. and really it is time you found some new material. Raven IS NOT part wolfdog, she is part GSD, Taz was not a wolf.. and it has been told to you and many others for years the true and real facts behind the dogs but you just revel in the scandal.

Raven also does not have MRD neither do any of our dogs, if we read the screens the same as you muppets they are ALL marked free from hereditory disease.... this is because not enough have been screened for the BVA to say we have a hereditory problem, we have taken all steps to find the gene, get a blood test and screen the pups to get rid of the folds and the dogs dont have any problems...Have I not told you this already ??
Anyone wishing to know anything regarding this please pm me or go on BUA website its all there documented with the specialists recommendations (PS Jan thinks she is an eye specialist lols)

And as for British Utes well..... they are more healthy than the Ute, they are not inbred like the Ute, they have no ink marks like the Ute, they have a better tail than the Utes..better bone than the Ute I could go on and on... Our association is against in-breeding unhealthy lines and our puppy owners are more than happy in the fact they are investing in a far better dog As for the money not that its your business they where all sold for £500....less than an inbred unhealthy Ute...

YOUR PROBLEM IS???

And yes be lovely to meet up again look forward to it

Chilli wrote:

Can't wait to meet you once again face to face!!!!!!!!

Do not come on this forum with threatening insinuations or you and your IP address will be reported to the police. If you carry on in this manner you will be put off this forum!

Admin I see you read that part the same as I did lols, please dont worry on my account, I have no respect for thugs either, but Im sure Chilli is all mouth and no trousers, and I am perfectly capable of looking after myself....you see its folk like her that have gave all our dogs a bad name and who bully those who dont agree with them...she is just showing her true colours to all

Raven is part WOLFDOG ....does that mean her son is too???????

And quote me if im wrong here lanie, but has both BUA recent litters using GSD not given us some DRASTIC IMPROVEMENTS in the litter screens and if I remember correctly the eye specialist commented on this

At least when BUA have to comment on anything regarding health, all documents are scanned and uploaded so everyone can actually see the results and its not all just verbal

Anyway just away oot to let ma half wolfdog terrorise the neighbourhood

OMG is this the same Janine who put her dog to the Sulin bitch with high hips? I don,t think you are in a position to lecture anyone Janine on health issues, do you?

Ty-Ohni wrote:OMG is this the same Janine who put her dog to the Sulin bitch with high hips? I don,t think you are in a position to lecture anyone Janine on health issues, do you?